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	<title>Comments on: Why Wave Won&#8217;t Replace the CMS</title>
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		<title>By: jaredstein</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1155</link>
		<dc:creator>jaredstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the L/CMS post I wish I&#039;d written! You&#039;ve succinctly explained the staying power of the LMS without apologizing for its often cumbersome functionality and outdated or insufficient features. I work with faculty who use Bb or Moodle everyday in online courses, and it is these teachers &lt;em&gt;and their students&lt;/em who convince me the LMS will be around for a while. They demand simplicity, one-stop-shopping; most do not think outside the traditional teaching model: that is no horror, for that model has gotten us where we are today; but neither is it a new way forward adapted for a changing culture.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The LMS is a big lug, clumsy and slow, but immovable and strong. The LMS killer will not be a LMS; it will be small and nimble, a simple, core system with lots of plugs as you&#039;ve outlined in the past. And though it feels like we&#039;re close to obtaining something like that, it&#039;s felt like that to me for several years. I predict the LMS will stick around for quite some time; at the very least until a handful of institutions demonstrate, through experimentation, models of loosely coupled systems that can be quickly, easily, and cheaply adapted by the broadest spectrum of institutions. Even then the conservatism and perceived reliability of the LMS will help it hold its ground, and we therefore can&#039;t write off the LMS; indeed, I still feel compelled to work with the LMS as much as we can, if only for the sake of the learners who will inevitably file through it.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the L/CMS post I wish I&#39;d written! You&#39;ve succinctly explained the staying power of the LMS without apologizing for its often cumbersome functionality and outdated or insufficient features. I work with faculty who use Bb or Moodle everyday in online courses, and it is these teachers <em>and their students&lt;/em who convince me the LMS will be around for a while. They demand simplicity, one-stop-shopping; most do not think outside the traditional teaching model: that is no horror, for that model has gotten us where we are today; but neither is it a new way forward adapted for a changing culture.</p>
<p>The LMS is a big lug, clumsy and slow, but immovable and strong. The LMS killer will not be a LMS; it will be small and nimble, a simple, core system with lots of plugs as you&#39;ve outlined in the past. And though it feels like we&#39;re close to obtaining something like that, it&#39;s felt like that to me for several years. I predict the LMS will stick around for quite some time; at the very least until a handful of institutions demonstrate, through experimentation, models of loosely coupled systems that can be quickly, easily, and cheaply adapted by the broadest spectrum of institutions. Even then the conservatism and perceived reliability of the LMS will help it hold its ground, and we therefore can&#39;t write off the LMS; indeed, I still feel compelled to work with the LMS as much as we can, if only for the sake of the learners who will inevitably file through it.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Smithers</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Smithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Jon and I like the image. I agree that Wave alone will not replace the LMS and that we are likely to see GW embedded in LMSs to start with. I touched on this in a short post yesterday that tried to define Google Wave in a sentence (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.masmithers.com/2009/10/19/google-wave-in-a-sentence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.masmithers.com/2009/10/19/google-wav...&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do think that, although GW doesn&#039;t replace an LMS completely, it does provide replacements for key items of functionality in an LMS - particularly around synchronous and asynchronous communication and group collaboration spaces.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You make the point about content and I agree the the current LMS is focussed on content delivery but it also seems that more and more content is becoming available outside of the LMS and, indeed, the university. Systems will arise that allow open links to that content at which point, when combined with things like GW we may have a totally open LMS built by and curated by users.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What will remain for the University will be the crticial task of managing assessment in a rigorous and consistent way (one of the great things about your loosely couple gradebook).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, in summary, GW certainly isn’t an LMS replacement but combined with other ways of delivering content and changing attitudes to the control of content it will probably contribute to the decline of the LMS as a key educational technology platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Jon and I like the image. I agree that Wave alone will not replace the LMS and that we are likely to see GW embedded in LMSs to start with. I touched on this in a short post yesterday that tried to define Google Wave in a sentence (<a href="http://www.masmithers.com/2009/10/19/google-wave-in-a-sentence/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.masmithers.com/2009/10/19/google-wav.." rel="nofollow">http://www.masmithers.com/2009/10/19/google-wav..</a>.).</p>
<p>I do think that, although GW doesn&#39;t replace an LMS completely, it does provide replacements for key items of functionality in an LMS &#8211; particularly around synchronous and asynchronous communication and group collaboration spaces.</p>
<p>You make the point about content and I agree the the current LMS is focussed on content delivery but it also seems that more and more content is becoming available outside of the LMS and, indeed, the university. Systems will arise that allow open links to that content at which point, when combined with things like GW we may have a totally open LMS built by and curated by users.</p>
<p>What will remain for the University will be the crticial task of managing assessment in a rigorous and consistent way (one of the great things about your loosely couple gradebook).</p>
<p>So, in summary, GW certainly isn’t an LMS replacement but combined with other ways of delivering content and changing attitudes to the control of content it will probably contribute to the decline of the LMS as a key educational technology platform.</p>
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		<title>By: jonmott</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>jonmott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far from it Joel. I&#039;m just responding to the speculation that Google Wave (or any one tool for that matter) might replace the CMS. I think we need to carefully consider the factors that have driven CMS adoption and account for them as we envision, develop, and deploy new technologies. For example, &quot;open learning network&quot; technology that isn&#039;t integrate-able with student information systems would be a non-starter. We have to meet our evolving teaching and learning needs while also addressing ongoing administrivia issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far from it Joel. I&#39;m just responding to the speculation that Google Wave (or any one tool for that matter) might replace the CMS. I think we need to carefully consider the factors that have driven CMS adoption and account for them as we envision, develop, and deploy new technologies. For example, &#8220;open learning network&#8221; technology that isn&#39;t integrate-able with student information systems would be a non-starter. We have to meet our evolving teaching and learning needs while also addressing ongoing administrivia issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you&#039;re growing weary of the battle--you will be Blackboard assimilated.  I&#039;ve not been able to stay on top of the discussion like I&#039;d like, but your note is a bit disheartening.  I&#039;m looking to you to do the CMS alternative (or alternate CMS) ground-work for me, and I sense a hint of defeat in your post.  Any truth to my assertion?&lt;br&gt;-Joel G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#39;re growing weary of the battle&#8211;you will be Blackboard assimilated.  I&#39;ve not been able to stay on top of the discussion like I&#39;d like, but your note is a bit disheartening.  I&#39;m looking to you to do the CMS alternative (or alternate CMS) ground-work for me, and I sense a hint of defeat in your post.  Any truth to my assertion?<br />-Joel G.</p>
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		<title>By: jonmott</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>jonmott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - this is at least as much a people / pedagogical issues as it is a technological problem. And I concur that there are many faculty members (both young and old) who are leaving the CMS behind for technologies that are more consistent with the ways they want to teach. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But we should still provide the best aspects of the CMS for faculty members and their students (particularly for those who teach and take high-enrollment classes). These features include things like lightweight content management (which, as you note, is one of the most valuable features of the CMS), SIS integration, and a secure online assessment communication and feedback tool (aka, a gradebook). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, yes, it is oddly appropriate to call a 10-15 year old technology a &quot;dinosaur.&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; this is at least as much a people / pedagogical issues as it is a technological problem. And I concur that there are many faculty members (both young and old) who are leaving the CMS behind for technologies that are more consistent with the ways they want to teach. </p>
<p>But we should still provide the best aspects of the CMS for faculty members and their students (particularly for those who teach and take high-enrollment classes). These features include things like lightweight content management (which, as you note, is one of the most valuable features of the CMS), SIS integration, and a secure online assessment communication and feedback tool (aka, a gradebook). </p>
<p>And, yes, it is oddly appropriate to call a 10-15 year old technology a &#8220;dinosaur.&#8221; <img src='http://www.jonmott.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your post makes a good point (whether intended or not): CMS is a dinosaur that continues to exists because dinosaur professors teach how CMS works.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will young faculty and graduate student instructors embrace Wave and other technologies as a replacement? I think so. I hate using Blackboard and other CMSs. And when I do use them, I never use the gradebook feature. I use them to make documents and materials available to students, and to facilitate dialogue among class members. Wave and other technologies are much better for those purposes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not so much a matter of technology changing the way we teach, so much as technology trying to catch up with new ways of teaching. The CMS seems uninterested (or unable) to adapt to current pedagogical trends. The CMS persists only because old faculty members (and new faculty members who teach how they were taught by old faculty members) continue to do things the same way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(and yes, I see the irony of calling CMS a dinosaur).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your post makes a good point (whether intended or not): CMS is a dinosaur that continues to exists because dinosaur professors teach how CMS works.</p>
<p>Will young faculty and graduate student instructors embrace Wave and other technologies as a replacement? I think so. I hate using Blackboard and other CMSs. And when I do use them, I never use the gradebook feature. I use them to make documents and materials available to students, and to facilitate dialogue among class members. Wave and other technologies are much better for those purposes.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not so much a matter of technology changing the way we teach, so much as technology trying to catch up with new ways of teaching. The CMS seems uninterested (or unable) to adapt to current pedagogical trends. The CMS persists only because old faculty members (and new faculty members who teach how they were taught by old faculty members) continue to do things the same way. </p>
<p>(and yes, I see the irony of calling CMS a dinosaur).</p>
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		<title>By: jonmott</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonmott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. Thanks for sharing these links. Looks like we&#039;re heading in very similar directions. I&#039;d love to hear more about your progress as it unfolds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. Thanks for sharing these links. Looks like we&#39;re heading in very similar directions. I&#39;d love to hear more about your progress as it unfolds.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.jonmott.com/blog/2009/10/why-wave-wont-replace-the-cms/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s time to mash them up and create a chimerical new kind of technology that can give us the best of both worlds.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps like... this!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?entry=20090612190435&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(also see: &lt;a href=&quot;http://CEUR-WS.org/Vol-506/wilson.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://CEUR-WS.org/Vol-506/wilson.pdf&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s time to mash them up and create a chimerical new kind of technology that can give us the best of both worlds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps like&#8230; this!</p>
<p><a href="http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?entry=20090612190435" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?.." rel="nofollow">http://zope.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?..</a>.</p>
<p>(also see: <a href="http://CEUR-WS.org/Vol-506/wilson.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://CEUR-WS.org/Vol-506/wilson.pdf</a>)</p>
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